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Help with meshing a simple solenoid, to be able to calculate its inductance

Posted 18 févr. 2020, 07:07 UTC−5 Low-Frequency Electromagnetics, Mesh Version 5.4 2 Replies

Fedja Orucevic
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Good afternoon,

I have a parasolid file of a solenoid, and am trying to calculate its inductance using the mef package. The mph and parasolid CAD files are attached, as well as a screenshot of the geometry.

https://i.imgur.com/JTrkJ5O.png

I have been trying to follow the spiral inductor example:

www.comsol.com/model/download/629391/models.acdc.spiral_inductor.pdf

but am having trouble meshing this geometry. I thought best would be to use triangular mesh on the face, and then use a swept mesh along the coil itself. Then use a free tetrahedral mesh for the "air box". Could someone help with meshing, and then ultimately obtain the inductance of this coil?

Many thanks in advance,

2 Replies Last Post 18 févr. 2020, 20:40 UTC−5
Dennis Brown
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Posted: 5 years ago 18 févr. 2020, 10:08 UTC−5
Updated: 5 years ago 18 févr. 2020, 10:08 UTC−5

I have a couple suggestions:

1) there is a blog post here that should help with meshing of a coil: https://www.comsol.com/blogs/improving-your-meshing-with-partitioning/

2) I tried to mesh just the coil part and it took a long time. Something might be wrong with the predrawn file. I would suggest to draw this native in comsol. There is a helix function so you should be able to mimic what is wanted.

3) I would suggest you make the air box a little bigger . You will also need at least one coaxial port at one end of the inductor. This you can do with a workplane. You can use two coax ports if you want as you can translate between s-parameters and ABCD parameters to get a series impedance.

I have a couple suggestions: 1) there is a blog post here that should help with meshing of a coil: https://www.comsol.com/blogs/improving-your-meshing-with-partitioning/ 2) I tried to mesh just the coil part and it took a long time. Something might be wrong with the predrawn file. I would suggest to draw this native in comsol. There is a helix function so you should be able to mimic what is wanted. 3) I would suggest you make the air box a little bigger . You will also need at least one coaxial port at one end of the inductor. This you can do with a workplane. You can use two coax ports if you want as you can translate between s-parameters and ABCD parameters to get a series impedance.
Robert Koslover Certified Consultant
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Posted: 5 years ago 18 févr. 2020, 20:40 UTC−5

Based on the figure you posted, that's an awfully large number of turns of closely-spaced fine wire. I'm not surprised you would have trouble meshing that wire with sufficient detail, within that volume. Anyway, you might want to step back a little and try modeling a similar geometry with fewer turns of more widely-spaced and thicker wire first, just to ensure that you can actually do it, and then compare your model results to the expressions that people used to use before they were blessed with such powerful computers and software! Specifically, the following references, among others, may also be of some interest to you: https://nvlpubs.nist.gov/nistpubs/bulletin/04/nbsbulletinv4n3p369_A2b.pdf https://nvlpubs.nist.gov/nistpubs/bulletin/08/nbsbulletinv8n1p1_A2b.pdf https://www.bookdepository.com/Inductance-Calculations-Frederick-W-Grover/9780486474403 Good luck.

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Based on the figure you posted, that's an awfully large number of turns of closely-spaced fine wire. I'm not surprised you would have trouble meshing that wire with sufficient detail, within that volume. Anyway, you might want to step back a little and try modeling a similar geometry with fewer turns of more widely-spaced and thicker wire first, just to ensure that you can actually do it, and then compare your model results to the expressions that people used to use before they were blessed with such powerful computers and software! Specifically, the following references, among others, may also be of some interest to you: https://nvlpubs.nist.gov/nistpubs/bulletin/04/nbsbulletinv4n3p369_A2b.pdf https://nvlpubs.nist.gov/nistpubs/bulletin/08/nbsbulletinv8n1p1_A2b.pdf https://www.bookdepository.com/Inductance-Calculations-Frederick-W-Grover/9780486474403 Good luck.

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