Ivar KJELBERG
COMSOL Multiphysics(r) fan, retired, former "Senior Expert" at CSEM SA (CH)
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Posted:
1 decade ago
23 avr. 2010, 15:10 UTC−4
Hi
I cannot really tell, as I have never tried it out (coupling two very different size items), but as Comsol tends to consider the geometries separately (carefull with the variable names though) I would assume it^'s a good approach.
The easiest, and what I do when I have such fundamental questions, is to try it out on a (very) simple case, coupled cantlevers or something you have/can solve easily analytically, to better verify and validate your model.
You also have the PML (see previous thread), if you are doing RF models (as you have not stated what you are doing in some details, I'm just guessing here).
In a general way, if we all start our "Subject" field with a i.e [v3.5a RF] ... or something like that it would be easier to understand each others ;)
Have fun Comsoling
Ivar
Hi
I cannot really tell, as I have never tried it out (coupling two very different size items), but as Comsol tends to consider the geometries separately (carefull with the variable names though) I would assume it^'s a good approach.
The easiest, and what I do when I have such fundamental questions, is to try it out on a (very) simple case, coupled cantlevers or something you have/can solve easily analytically, to better verify and validate your model.
You also have the PML (see previous thread), if you are doing RF models (as you have not stated what you are doing in some details, I'm just guessing here).
In a general way, if we all start our "Subject" field with a i.e [v3.5a RF] ... or something like that it would be easier to understand each others ;)
Have fun Comsoling
Ivar
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Posted:
1 decade ago
23 avr. 2010, 15:22 UTC−4
Dear Ivar,
Thanks for your information. Sorry for not explaning much about my modeling. I am working with a diffusion problem with small items. Chemical Engineering-Mass transport-diffusion. The reason I am looking for a large boundary is to get the correct solution. If you can give me more instructions with these delails It would be great. I will try with multiple geometry with a simple case where I know the answer already. Thanks again.
Manjula
Dear Ivar,
Thanks for your information. Sorry for not explaning much about my modeling. I am working with a diffusion problem with small items. Chemical Engineering-Mass transport-diffusion. The reason I am looking for a large boundary is to get the correct solution. If you can give me more instructions with these delails It would be great. I will try with multiple geometry with a simple case where I know the answer already. Thanks again.
Manjula
Ivar KJELBERG
COMSOL Multiphysics(r) fan, retired, former "Senior Expert" at CSEM SA (CH)
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Posted:
1 decade ago
24 avr. 2010, 02:38 UTC−4
Hi
well then its not that easy as PML are for RF and electromagnetic waves, probably not implementable as is for diffusion, but there must be a way to apply the same principle for your case, if comparable, it should be easier as you have no reflections do deal about. Needs some thinking, try to make a very simple case.
By the way, one thing is that probably you do not need the same mesh density all around. When you have very different mesh densities you get also problems (again I use the 1:10'000 rule). This is mostly easy to overcome, just box your fine model with a few intermediate squares/circles/spheres, "à la poupée russe" then you mesh from the inner to the outer, with a mesh ratio of at most 1:10'000 in each region
Finaly if your gobal behaviour can be analysed by a detail view in a small region, there should be also a possibility to have 2 geometry regions, one with the fine "details" and one with the overall response, to separate the two scales, but this need some analytical tweaking of your model equations and then to distribute them correctly on the two models and to use extrusion or other coupling variables to link the 2 models
Hope this helps on the way
Ivar
Hi
well then its not that easy as PML are for RF and electromagnetic waves, probably not implementable as is for diffusion, but there must be a way to apply the same principle for your case, if comparable, it should be easier as you have no reflections do deal about. Needs some thinking, try to make a very simple case.
By the way, one thing is that probably you do not need the same mesh density all around. When you have very different mesh densities you get also problems (again I use the 1:10'000 rule). This is mostly easy to overcome, just box your fine model with a few intermediate squares/circles/spheres, "à la poupée russe" then you mesh from the inner to the outer, with a mesh ratio of at most 1:10'000 in each region
Finaly if your gobal behaviour can be analysed by a detail view in a small region, there should be also a possibility to have 2 geometry regions, one with the fine "details" and one with the overall response, to separate the two scales, but this need some analytical tweaking of your model equations and then to distribute them correctly on the two models and to use extrusion or other coupling variables to link the 2 models
Hope this helps on the way
Ivar
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Posted:
1 decade ago
24 avr. 2010, 11:01 UTC−4
Dear Ivar,
Thank you so much for all the information. I will try to proceed with your advices.
Thanks Again.
Manjula
Dear Ivar,
Thank you so much for all the information. I will try to proceed with your advices.
Thanks Again.
Manjula