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Modelling Compression of Material at a Rate

Posted 16 janv. 2013, 20:03 UTC−5 Version 4.2a 5 Replies

Adrian Li
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Hello,

I am a beginner to COMSOL 4.2a and I would like to build a simple model where a material (a cylindrical block of polymer) is compressed at a rate of 10 mm/min.

Using Solid Mechanics, I was able to construct the cylinder and apply a boundary load. However, this is just an instantaneous load.

My question is how do I go about implementing a compression of the material at a rate of 10mm/min?

Thanks for your help!

-Adrian
5 Replies Last Post 18 janv. 2013, 10:17 UTC−5
Ivar KJELBERG COMSOL Multiphysics(r) fan, retired, former "Senior Expert" at CSEM SA (CH)
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Posted: 1 decade ago 17 janv. 2013, 01:40 UTC−5
Hi

you can work in th time domain, and say the displacement is 10[mm/s]*t, but try to smoothen the displacement velocity as you will get many transient at the beginning around t=0, one way to improve is to remove the inertial terms (2nd order derivatives) but then you remove all wave propagations. But you can also, if the time behaviour is not the essential use a stationary parametric sweep and increase either the force load with a parameter or impose a displacement with a parameter. You loose the time response but you see the displacement force response, interesting in particular if your material is nonlinear, or for large deformations

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Good luck
Ivar
Hi you can work in th time domain, and say the displacement is 10[mm/s]*t, but try to smoothen the displacement velocity as you will get many transient at the beginning around t=0, one way to improve is to remove the inertial terms (2nd order derivatives) but then you remove all wave propagations. But you can also, if the time behaviour is not the essential use a stationary parametric sweep and increase either the force load with a parameter or impose a displacement with a parameter. You loose the time response but you see the displacement force response, interesting in particular if your material is nonlinear, or for large deformations -- Good luck Ivar
Adrian Li
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Posted: 1 decade ago 17 janv. 2013, 12:41 UTC−5

Hi

you can work in th time domain, and say the displacement is 10[mm/s]*t, but try to smoothen the displacement velocity as you will get many transient at the beginning around t=0, one way to improve is to remove the inertial terms (2nd order derivatives) but then you remove all wave propagations. But you can also, if the time behaviour is not the essential use a stationary parametric sweep and increase either the force load with a parameter or impose a displacement with a parameter. You loose the time response but you see the displacement force response, interesting in particular if your material is nonlinear, or for large deformations

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Good luck
Ivar


Thank you Ivar. I will try your suggestions and see where I can get.

Thanks,
-Adrian

[QUOTE] Hi you can work in th time domain, and say the displacement is 10[mm/s]*t, but try to smoothen the displacement velocity as you will get many transient at the beginning around t=0, one way to improve is to remove the inertial terms (2nd order derivatives) but then you remove all wave propagations. But you can also, if the time behaviour is not the essential use a stationary parametric sweep and increase either the force load with a parameter or impose a displacement with a parameter. You loose the time response but you see the displacement force response, interesting in particular if your material is nonlinear, or for large deformations -- Good luck Ivar [/QUOTE] Thank you Ivar. I will try your suggestions and see where I can get. Thanks, -Adrian
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Posted: 1 decade ago 17 janv. 2013, 17:17 UTC−5
Update:

I tried to apply a prescribed velocity and conducted a time-dependent study. However, I am getting a

"Failed to find a solution" error message.

It says that there are void equations (empty rows in matrix) and returned solution is not converged.

Looking up previous discussions, it seems that this error could be tied to the size of the mesh. However, I have tried different mesh sizes with no avail.

Any suggestions would be great!

Thanks!
-Adrian
Update: I tried to apply a prescribed velocity and conducted a time-dependent study. However, I am getting a "Failed to find a solution" error message. It says that there are void equations (empty rows in matrix) and returned solution is not converged. Looking up previous discussions, it seems that this error could be tied to the size of the mesh. However, I have tried different mesh sizes with no avail. Any suggestions would be great! Thanks! -Adrian
Ivar KJELBERG COMSOL Multiphysics(r) fan, retired, former "Senior Expert" at CSEM SA (CH)
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Posted: 1 decade ago 18 janv. 2013, 01:53 UTC−5
Hi

are you using a segregated iterative solver or a direct one, perhaps the direct one would work (if you have enough RAM)

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Ivar
Hi are you using a segregated iterative solver or a direct one, perhaps the direct one would work (if you have enough RAM) -- Good luck Ivar
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Posted: 1 decade ago 18 janv. 2013, 10:17 UTC−5
Hi Adrian,

Are you getting this error message right at the start of the analysis or do you get a partial solution? If at the start then try ramping up the velocity gradually starting at zero as Ivar suggested earlier. Getting an initial solution should be easy since there are no applied loads. Consider also changing the time stepping setting in the transient solver from Generalized Alpha to BDF. I found the BDF to be easier to converge for some problems.

Nagi Elabbasi
Veryst Engineering
Hi Adrian, Are you getting this error message right at the start of the analysis or do you get a partial solution? If at the start then try ramping up the velocity gradually starting at zero as Ivar suggested earlier. Getting an initial solution should be easy since there are no applied loads. Consider also changing the time stepping setting in the transient solver from Generalized Alpha to BDF. I found the BDF to be easier to converge for some problems. Nagi Elabbasi Veryst Engineering

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