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current in 1D element

Posted 25 mars 2013, 09:35 UTC−4 Low-Frequency Electromagnetics Version 4.3 9 Replies

Ehsan Rezaei
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Hello everybody,
I have a network of 1D elements and I have modeled the current flow inside them using Coefficient from edge PDE. So after running the model I have the voltage in all the structure as shown in the picture.
now I need to calculate current in each branch of the structure. I'm wondering how I can do this. I know that current can be shown in a plot by:

sqrt(uTx^2+uTy^2+uTz^2)/(rho/A)

in which uTx,y,z are the voltage gradient and rho is the resistivity and A is the area of the cross section of each line.

but how can I derive the values?

Thanks a lot

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9 Replies Last Post 27 mars 2013, 13:55 UTC−4
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Posted: 1 decade ago 25 mars 2013, 09:45 UTC−4
as the cross section is constant we have constant current through each line, so I was thinking to use point evaluation but I need help how to do it.

Thanks in advance
as the cross section is constant we have constant current through each line, so I was thinking to use point evaluation but I need help how to do it. Thanks in advance
Ivar KJELBERG COMSOL Multiphysics(r) fan, retired, former "Senior Expert" at CSEM SA (CH)
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Posted: 1 decade ago 25 mars 2013, 13:00 UTC−4
Hi

you have also the "arrow lines" you could try

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Good luck
Ivar
Hi you have also the "arrow lines" you could try -- Good luck Ivar
Ehsan Rezaei
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Posted: 1 decade ago 26 mars 2013, 06:47 UTC−4
Dear Ivar,
I really appreciate your help in this forum. It already has helped me a lot when I am reading other posts with your commetns on them.

I used arrow lines. it was good for showing the current direction. however I want to do something similar to line integration that is used to get the total heat flux in 2D, for example here:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=N784M5Mkp0o

I want to do the same, how ever on the boundary points to get the total current.

Thanks again
Ehsan
Dear Ivar, I really appreciate your help in this forum. It already has helped me a lot when I am reading other posts with your commetns on them. I used arrow lines. it was good for showing the current direction. however I want to do something similar to line integration that is used to get the total heat flux in 2D, for example here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N784M5Mkp0o I want to do the same, how ever on the boundary points to get the total current. Thanks again Ehsan
Sven Friedel COMSOL Employee

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Posted: 1 decade ago 26 mars 2013, 06:47 UTC−4
Dear Ehsan,

what do you mean by "derive it"? Would you like to export the data as txt file, display the values graphically ... ?
Please note that tangential derivatives are not defined in points but only on edges, because points have no tangent.

There is however a way to derive the current in a point "on the side of a neighbroung edge".
Take for instance in the model I sent earlier and attach here again point 7. It is connected to the edges 10, 12 and 7.

If you want to know the current in point 7 on the side of edge 12, you can access that by using a point evaluation for the expression

side(12,sqrt(uTx^2+uTy^2+uTz^2))*(rho/A)

I have addeed that to the file attached. Hope that helps.

Sven Friedel
Dear Ehsan, what do you mean by "derive it"? Would you like to export the data as txt file, display the values graphically ... ? Please note that tangential derivatives are not defined in points but only on edges, because points have no tangent. There is however a way to derive the current in a point "on the side of a neighbroung edge". Take for instance in the model I sent earlier and attach here again point 7. It is connected to the edges 10, 12 and 7. If you want to know the current in point 7 on the side of edge 12, you can access that by using a point evaluation for the expression side(12,sqrt(uTx^2+uTy^2+uTz^2))*(rho/A) I have addeed that to the file attached. Hope that helps. Sven Friedel

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Posted: 1 decade ago 26 mars 2013, 07:10 UTC−4
Dear Sven, Hello again,
I need to get the total current in the structure.

I can do it by exporting the data of the arrow lines plot (for the edges connected to the boundary points) but I have to choose them manually, which is not actually practical when I go to my bigger models.

So the best choice(in my opinion) is to choose the same nodes of the constraint(u-1 or u-0) and find the total current. However I'm not sure if this is the right way.

Thanks again for your help,
Ehsan
Dear Sven, Hello again, I need to get the total current in the structure. I can do it by exporting the data of the arrow lines plot (for the edges connected to the boundary points) but I have to choose them manually, which is not actually practical when I go to my bigger models. So the best choice(in my opinion) is to choose the same nodes of the constraint(u-1 or u-0) and find the total current. However I'm not sure if this is the right way. Thanks again for your help, Ehsan
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Posted: 1 decade ago 26 mars 2013, 07:15 UTC−4
Sorry I didnt see your message completely. Yes this is exactly what I want. is there a way to find the current in all the edges(or any) connected to point 7?

so I can use it automatically for a set of points.
By the way, I have searched a lot to find a list of these kind of expressions. Are they listed somewhere in the documentations.

Thanks a lot

Sorry I didnt see your message completely. Yes this is exactly what I want. is there a way to find the current in all the edges(or any) connected to point 7? so I can use it automatically for a set of points. By the way, I have searched a lot to find a list of these kind of expressions. Are they listed somewhere in the documentations. Thanks a lot
Ivar KJELBERG COMSOL Multiphysics(r) fan, retired, former "Senior Expert" at CSEM SA (CH)
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Posted: 1 decade ago 26 mars 2013, 13:00 UTC−4
Hi
Sven

Where is "side()" documented ? I have noticed that there are quite some goodies under the hood not really documented yet ?

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Having fun Comsoling, mostly ...
Ivar
Hi Sven Where is "side()" documented ? I have noticed that there are quite some goodies under the hood not really documented yet ? __ Having fun Comsoling, mostly ... Ivar
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Posted: 1 decade ago 27 mars 2013, 13:02 UTC−4
Hi,

side is one of my favourites recently. It will be in the doc 4.3b shortly, I heard.

Sven
Hi, side is one of my favourites recently. It will be in the doc 4.3b shortly, I heard. Sven
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Posted: 1 decade ago 27 mars 2013, 13:55 UTC−4
Hi,
I tried to invent somethings like side(:,sqrt(uTx^2+uTy^2+uTz^2))*(rho/A) to get the current in all the connected edges but they don't work(obviously).
However thanks for your help.


Ehsan
Hi, I tried to invent somethings like side(:,sqrt(uTx^2+uTy^2+uTz^2))*(rho/A) to get the current in all the connected edges but they don't work(obviously). However thanks for your help. Ehsan

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